From nsh at pop.jaring.my Wed May 16 14:17:55 2007 From: nsh at pop.jaring.my (Nah Soo Hoe) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] test Message-ID: <464AA213.3010505@pop.jaring.my> test From nsh at pop.jaring.my Wed May 16 14:33:14 2007 From: nsh at pop.jaring.my (Nah Soo Hoe) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] test2 pls ignore Message-ID: <464AA5AA.8000703@pop.jaring.my> From drcheah at pc.jaring.my Wed May 16 14:33:40 2007 From: drcheah at pc.jaring.my (Molly Cheah) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] [Fwd: [participants] OSHCA inter-operability list] Message-ID: <464AA5C4.9060204@pc.jaring.my> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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From: "Klaus D Veil" Subject: RE: [participants] Re: OSHCA inter-operability list Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:07:23 +1000 Size: 6074 Url: http://mailman.oshca.org/pipermail/foss_health/attachments/20070516/fae02c86/OSHCAinter-operabilitylist.mht From drcheah at pc.jaring.my Wed May 16 15:22:01 2007 From: drcheah at pc.jaring.my (Molly Cheah) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Re: [participants] Re: OSHCA inter-operability list In-Reply-To: <006001c79788$e00c2ff0$09648255@acerkv> References: <006001c79788$e00c2ff0$09648255@acerkv> Message-ID: <464AB119.6080302@pc.jaring.my> Hi Klaus, We're transitioning to the new list FOSS_health@oshca.org You're welcomed to subscribe to the new list and participate in the discussions as OSHCA is be initiating test beds for developing and testing interoperability with real FOSS applications. Molly Klaus D Veil wrote: >Molly, > >I really missed catching up with all conference participants in KL, but am >very happy to assist in any way I can with the OSHCA interoperability >effort. > >Klaus > >_______________________________________ > >Klaus D Veil > >Research Fellow, University of Ballarat, Australia >Chair, Standards Australia IT014-06-03 >Chair, HL7 Australia >Director, HL7 Board >HL7.org (USA) Certified V2.4 & V2.5 Specialist >Principal, HL7 Systems & Services >Mob: +61 412 746 457 Skype ID: "KlausDVeil" >Fax: +61 2 9475 0303 E-mail: Klaus@Veil.net.au > > > HL7 Australia >___________________________________________ >PO Box 3289, WESTON CREEK 2611, Australia >Phone: +61 412 746 457 Fax: +61 2 9475 0685 >E-mail: Chair@HL7.org.au Web: www.HL7.org.au >____________________________________________ > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: participants-bounces@oshca.org [mailto:participants-bounces@oshca.org] >On Behalf Of Molly Cheah >Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:15 >To: OSHCA Conference participants >Subject: Re: [participants] Re: OSHCA inter-operability list > >It is wonderful to see the enthusiasm here. While I'm trying to absorb all >these discussions and at the same time attend to my own urgent urgent >outstanding work, I can't respond as fast as Lee's expectation of his >preference for a dedicated list on interoperability. I fear such dedicated >lists will fragment the OSHCA community which I'm trying to co-ordinate >during the conference to be followed by post-conference activities. While >the pros and cons are being thought through by OSHCA management, the >participants list does not deter further discussions here. > >It will be difficult for OSHCA to subsequently coordinate the discussions >and decisions made on third party lists and on other different platforms >which I don't think are interoperable. > >I've asked Soo Hoe who had been creating and organising the mailing lists >for OSHCA to look into this. I've just talked to him on the phone and he >will post on this matter later today. In the meantime please be patient and >continue with the discussions here and we'll move the relevant archives to >where it should be. > >There are several outstanding matters that a few of us are still addressing. >One example is the temporary wiki (with content) sitting in the box that was >set up during the conference for participants to input. >It's still in the black box and I'm sure there are inputs on >interoperability there. My headache is: how do I move that information to >the OSHCA web-portal.... I really don't want to burden participants with >management matters. As one participant said to me on my juggling with >available funds, "what has that to do with me?" That's part of my learning >process on community and community development. > >Rgds, >Molly > >Lee Seldon wrote: > > > >>Alvin Boh et al. >>This interoperability discussion seems to be progressing faster than I >>expected, but >>1) I would REALLY prefer to pursue it in a dedicated list, so as not >>to clutter up everybody's email. An OSHCA list would be most >>appropriate, but otherwise maybe a Yahoo group or even Skype, or we >>could each make our own list (of one another). >>2) The point-to-point interface would be quickest, but I myself would >>only be interested in a generic approach involving all applications, >>so as to establish interoperability not only here and now, but also >>for the future. >>3) It should not be necessary (or useful) for everybody to study HL7. >>As long as at least one person (project manager?) knows enough, he/she >>can answer questions. >>4) http://www.ahml.com.au/ is the best place to test your message >>compliance. >>Lee >>_______________________________________________ >>participants mailing list >>participants@oshca.org >>http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/participants >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >participants mailing list >participants@oshca.org >http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/participants > >_______________________________________________ >participants mailing list >participants@oshca.org >http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/participants > > > > > From tanboonteck at gmail.com Wed May 16 15:29:53 2007 From: tanboonteck at gmail.com (Jason Tan Boon Teck) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Fwd: [participants] Re: OSHCA inter-operability list In-Reply-To: References: <464A7771.90501@alum.mit.edu> <005601c79788$db8f0c40$09648255@acerkv> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jason Tan Boon Teck Date: May 16, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [participants] Re: OSHCA inter-operability list To: OSHCA Conference participants Cc: alvin.marcelo@telehealth.ph Q: Is HL7 V3 a replacement for V2.x? Is there an upgrade path? A: ... Early adopters of V3 are typically in a "green field" situation with no installed HL7 systems. Some implementations have been of a academic/research nature. So far there is no upgrade path from existing V2.x messages to V3 messages. This looks scary. [shudders] jason On 5/16/07, Klaus D Veil wrote: > Also, if some of you want a simple HL7 FAQ (or provide this to a colleague), > go to: www.HL7.com.au/FAQ.htm > > Klaus > > > HL7 Australia > ___________________________________________ > PO Box 3289, WESTON CREEK 2611, Australia > Phone: +61 412 746 457 Fax: +61 2 9475 0685 > E-mail: Chair@HL7.org.au Web: www.HL7.org.au > ____________________________________________ > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: participants-bounces@oshca.org [mailto:participants-bounces@oshca.org] > On Behalf Of Lee Seldon > Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:16 > To: alvin.marcelo@telehealth.ph; OSHCA Conference participants > Subject: [participants] Re: OSHCA inter-operability list > > Alvin Boh et al. > This interoperability discussion seems to be progressing faster than I > expected, but > 1) I would REALLY prefer to pursue it in a dedicated list, so as not to > clutter up everybody's email. An OSHCA list would be most appropriate, but > otherwise maybe a Yahoo group or even Skype, or we could each make our own > list (of one another). > 2) The point-to-point interface would be quickest, but I myself would only > be interested in a generic approach involving all applications, so as to > establish interoperability not only here and now, but also for the future. > 3) It should not be necessary (or useful) for everybody to study HL7. As > long as at least one person (project manager?) knows enough, he/she can > answer questions. > 4) http://www.ahml.com.au/ is the best place to test your message > compliance. > Lee > _______________________________________________ > participants mailing list > participants@oshca.org > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/participants > > _______________________________________________ > participants mailing list > participants@oshca.org > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/participants > -- Jason Tan Boon Teck -- Jason Tan Boon Teck From drcheah at pc.jaring.my Wed May 16 15:47:54 2007 From: drcheah at pc.jaring.my (Molly Cheah) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Re: [participants] Re: OSHCA inter-operability list In-Reply-To: <464AB4C6.1040603@alum.mit.edu> References: <005601c79788$db8f0c40$09648255@acerkv> <464AB4C6.1040603@alum.mit.edu> Message-ID: <464AB72A.9090108@pc.jaring.my> Lee, Can you subscribe to the new list FOSS_health@oshca.org and take the discussions there? Thanks. We're transitioning.... Molly Lee Seldon wrote: > And HL7 Australia has a very useful list of existing tools > http://www.hl7.org.au//HL7-Tools.htm > >> Also, if some of you want a simple HL7 FAQ (or provide this to a >> colleague), >> go to: www.HL7.com.au/FAQ.htm >> >> Klaus > > >> Alvin Boh et al. >> This interoperability discussion seems to be progressing faster than I >> expected, but >> 1) I would REALLY prefer to pursue it in a dedicated list, so as not to >> clutter up everybody's email. An OSHCA list would be most >> appropriate, but >> otherwise maybe a Yahoo group or even Skype, or we could each make >> our own >> list (of one another). >> 2) The point-to-point interface would be quickest, but I myself would >> only >> be interested in a generic approach involving all applications, so as to >> establish interoperability not only here and now, but also for the >> future. >> 3) It should not be necessary (or useful) for everybody to study HL7. As >> long as at least one person (project manager?) knows enough, he/she can >> answer questions. >> 4) http://www.ahml.com.au/ is the best place to test your message >> compliance. >> Lee > > > _______________________________________________ > participants mailing list > participants@oshca.org > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/participants > > From tom.jones at tolvenhealth.com Thu May 17 07:49:01 2007 From: tom.jones at tolvenhealth.com (Tom Jones) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Another interoperability resource Message-ID: You can also look at www.wikihit.org where people are collaborating on interoperable clinical data defintitions. Tom Jones, MD Chief Medical Officer, Tolven Sonoma, California 707 695 5712 (mobile) 707 939 7845 (office) www.tolven.org www.tolvenhealth.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.oshca.org/pipermail/foss_health/attachments/20070516/89459071/attachment.html From lseldon at alum.mit.edu Thu May 17 08:32:57 2007 From: lseldon at alum.mit.edu (Lee Seldon) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] VistA and HL7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <464BA2B9.4020204@alum.mit.edu> Here is a document describing (the original) VistA's involvement with HL7 messaging. http://www.va.gov/vdl/application.asp?appid=65 Called "Generic HL7 Interface Handbook" I assume that this would also apply to World VistA, but it would be good to get confirmation from there. Lee PS: A student of mine in the USA writes "Since the funding for my-health-e-vet was canned by congress (my-health-e-vet was to replace VistA) facilities are now looking to purchase vendor systems to run in conjunction with Vista / CPRS to extract the stored data within VistA modules but to provide the end user with a friendlier interface. I guess what I am saying is that VistA / CPRS is great for administrative / financial management and serves the purpose for outpatient / doctor office longitudinal electronic health record but fails for the documentation / data intense acute inpatient applications." From tom.jones at tolvenhealth.com Thu May 17 08:38:29 2007 From: tom.jones at tolvenhealth.com (Tom Jones) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] VistA and HL7 In-Reply-To: <464BA2B9.4020204@alum.mit.edu> Message-ID: That is an interesting take on things. Everything I had ever heard about my-health-e-vet did not lead me to believe that it had aspirations to replace VistA. I rather thought that it was supposed to provide a patient view into VistA so that it could be represented as the PHR for veterans (that, of course, was a questionable view of PHR's) Tom -----Original Message----- From: foss_health-bounces@oshca.org [mailto:foss_health-bounces@oshca.org] On Behalf Of Lee Seldon Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 5:33 PM To: foss_health@oshca.org Subject: [FOSS_health] VistA and HL7 Here is a document describing (the original) VistA's involvement with HL7 messaging. http://www.va.gov/vdl/application.asp?appid=65 Called "Generic HL7 Interface Handbook" I assume that this would also apply to World VistA, but it would be good to get confirmation from there. Lee PS: A student of mine in the USA writes "Since the funding for my-health-e-vet was canned by congress (my-health-e-vet was to replace VistA) facilities are now looking to purchase vendor systems to run in conjunction with Vista / CPRS to extract the stored data within VistA modules but to provide the end user with a friendlier interface. I guess what I am saying is that VistA / CPRS is great for administrative / financial management and serves the purpose for outpatient / doctor office longitudinal electronic health record but fails for the documentation / data intense acute inpatient applications." _______________________________________________ FOSS_health mailing list FOSS_health@oshca.org http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health From tw_cook at comcast.net Thu May 17 09:26:19 2007 From: tw_cook at comcast.net (Tim Cook) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] VistA and HL7 In-Reply-To: <1179362390.7031.70.camel@oship> References: <1179362390.7031.70.camel@oship> Message-ID: <1179365179.7031.74.camel@oship> On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 17:38 -0700, Tom Jones wrote: > That is an interesting take on things. Everything I had ever heard about > my-health-e-vet did not lead me to believe that it had aspirations to > replace VistA. I rather thought that it was supposed to provide a patient > view into VistA so that it could be represented as the PHR for veterans > (that, of course, was a questionable view of PHR's) That is exactly what myHealth-e-Vet is/was. Also, as far as I know the VistA interface was and is loved by many end-users. So I'm a bit confused by the writing from Lee's student. Maybe I don't understand the context it was written in? -- Timothy Cook, MSc Health Informatics Research Services http://home.comcast.net/~tw_cook/ 01-904-322-8582 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Nandalal Gunaratne Subject: Re: [participants] OSHCA inter-operability list Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Size: 6840 Url: http://mailman.oshca.org/pipermail/foss_health/attachments/20070517/7388ed32/participantsOSHCAinter-operabilitylist.mht From drcheah at pc.jaring.my Thu May 17 10:12:59 2007 From: drcheah at pc.jaring.my (Molly Cheah) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Re: [participants] OSHCA inter-operability list In-Reply-To: <294404.24341.qm@web58709.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <294404.24341.qm@web58709.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <464BBA2B.7060602@pc.jaring.my> Nandalal, I have forwarded your email to the FOSS_health@oshca.org list. Please continue discussions on interoperability on that list. Appreciate your co-operation on this so that it will be easier for OSHCA to monitor and report on these activities later. I would like to request those who wanted to participate in the interoperability test beds to subscribe to the FOSS_health@oshca.org list asap. I will be re-submitting OSHCA's proposal for the Collaborative Grant to IOSN+3 next week and I will rely on the discussions on that list to add content and names of interested parties as partners to that grant proposal. I will also outline what are needed in the grant proposal particularly related to deliverables for the grant proposal. In other words, FOSS_health@oshca.org will be our working environment for that grant proposal with inputs from those who want to be part of that proposal. Thank you. Rgds, Molly Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: >Since Sahana is going to get integrated into all of >these areas of healthcare, it is a case for >pre-deployment of Sahana in hospitals. Your third >scenario maybe the reason. If Sahana is used by >hospitals to keep stock items/employees and contact >details/expertise/bed strength/service areas it could >be valuable in case of a disaster. > >There will also be people who are familiar with >Sahana, which is a bonus. > >Nanda >--- Ravindra De Silva wrote: > > > >>>Yes, Ravi. We've already thought of a scenario >>> >>> >>where MrA was washed up >> >> >>>(alive) during a tsunami and sent to a clinic >>> >>> >>using PrimaCare, where he >> >> >>>was found to have developed complications and he >>> >>> >>had to be referred to >> >> >>>the hospital using >>> >>> >>?Hospital-OS/VistAOutreach/MyVistA/VistA VOE for >> >> >>>investigation and further treatment. Naturally, >>> >>> >>the Health Dept using >> >> >>>CHITS was also interested in him because he's a TB >>> >>> >>patient absconded >> >> >>>from treatment and he's still in an infectious >>> >>> >>state. In the meantime, >> >> >>>his wife couldn't find him and went to an NGO >>> >>> >>using SAHANA... to ask for >> >> >>>help as their house was washed away too. >>> >>> >>excellent scenario! >>very well highlights how several systems maintain >>their own records of >>the same person. the challenge is provide one portal >>with info from all >>these records, so one can find TB data, victim data, >>patient record,ect >>with in a single click. >> >> >> >>>Hmmm... can we have more scenarios for our >>> >>> >>write-up for funding? >> >>yes ,lets brainstorm , here are three potential >>scenarios from me, >>though not as good as the one you mentioned. >> >> >>1. The hospital already has records of the patients >>through >>VISTA/OSCAR/OpenMRS/CHITS/HospitalOS,ect with their >>location info. Once >>the disaster occurs happen in location A, SAHANA can >>be fed with these >>data as potential missing persons. For an >>organization who makes >>sure ,every missing person is accounted for , this >>gives them a list to >>start with. >> >>2. when ever a person record is entered into the >>health care >>application , we can assume that the patient is now >>in the hospital. now >>if this health care application provides some thing >>like an RSS feed, >>SAHANA installation can subscribe to that , and >>update the relevant >>missing persons as found in the hospital(by >>comparing name,id no,ect). >> >>3. SAHANA has a request management system and tons >>of medicines pour in >>at the event of a disaster to match the overwhelming >>need. since these >>data is already captured in SAHANA, may be the >>health care application >>can use it get an idea of the resources and demand >>the health care >>workers needs to cater. >> >> >>and of course there is a lot of scope for pandemic >>integration for >>SAHANA, for which i hope to collaborate with >>NetEpi,ect. >> >>cheers >>ravindra >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>participants mailing list >>participants@oshca.org >> >> >> >http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/participants > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. >http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 >_______________________________________________ >participants mailing list >participants@oshca.org >http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/participants > > > > From drcheah at pc.jaring.my Thu May 17 10:18:13 2007 From: drcheah at pc.jaring.my (Molly Cheah) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] [Fwd: Re: [participants] OSHCA inter-operability list] Message-ID: <464BBB65.5090506@pc.jaring.my> Nandalal, I've forwarded another post of yours on interoperability to the FOSS_health@oshca.org list. You have probably not received my e-mail yet. Please move future discussions on interoperability to the other list . Thank you for your co-operation to streamline OSHCA activities. Rgds, Molly -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Nandalal Gunaratne Subject: Re: Re(2): [participants] OSHCA inter-operability list Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Size: 10269 Url: http://mailman.oshca.org/pipermail/foss_health/attachments/20070517/a6103229/participantsOSHCAinter-operabilitylist.mht From gregory.woodhouse at gmail.com Thu May 17 10:45:29 2007 From: gregory.woodhouse at gmail.com (Woodhouse Gregory) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] VistA and HL7 In-Reply-To: <1179365179.7031.74.camel@oship> References: <1179362390.7031.70.camel@oship> <1179365179.7031.74.camel@oship> Message-ID: <541B3A02-7986-4293-AEBE-112957C41407@gmail.com> On May 16, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Tim Cook wrote: > On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 17:38 -0700, Tom Jones wrote: >> That is an interesting take on things. Everything I had ever heard >> about >> my-health-e-vet did not lead me to believe that it had aspirations to >> replace VistA. I rather thought that it was supposed to provide a >> patient >> view into VistA so that it could be represented as the PHR for >> veterans >> (that, of course, was a questionable view of PHR's) > > That is exactly what myHealth-e-Vet is/was. Also, as far as I know the > VistA interface was and is loved by many end-users. So I'm a bit > confused by the writing from Lee's student. Maybe I don't understand > the context it was written in? MyHealtheVet and HealtheVet are different things. MyHealtheVet is, indeed, a PHR. "In the human mind, one-sidedness has always been the rule and many-sidedness the exception. Hence, even in revolutions of thought, one part of the truth usually sets while another rises." --John Stuart Mill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.oshca.org/pipermail/foss_health/attachments/20070516/d9eaf6e0/attachment.htm From dalmolin at worldvista.org Thu May 17 11:58:30 2007 From: dalmolin at worldvista.org (Joseph Dal Molin) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Re: VistA and HL7 In-Reply-To: <464BD07D.9020205@e-cology.ca> References: <464BD07D.9020205@e-cology.ca> Message-ID: <464BD2E6.5000504@worldvista.org> Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > WorldVistA EHR has all the integration capabilities of VistA, plus we > are using the Mirth integration engine. > > Joseph > From wwilson at umich.edu Thu May 17 23:39:44 2007 From: wwilson at umich.edu (Wayne Wilson) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] VistA and HL7 In-Reply-To: <464BA2B9.4020204@alum.mit.edu> References: <464BA2B9.4020204@alum.mit.edu> Message-ID: <00888808-6A77-4D79-B0E0-935E6052CE7C@umich.edu> A student wrote via Lee Seldon. > my-health-e-vet was to replace VistA) > I have not been following this area for some time, but years ago there was a movement to replace VistA. That movement got it's start within a program to integrate health data within the DOD. I think that replacement project hit many obstacles, technical and budgetary which slowed it way down. Maybe that project got transformed back into inter-operability? my-health-e-vet sounds a lot like a different system that would need to gain access to clinical data whether by front ending a system or pulling data from a system, so one could see that getting access to the Vista data, however that would be accomplished (directly, inter-op, replacement system) would be part of it's project plan. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Luciana Cavalini has offered to help with the study design and if there are other professional researchers available please pitch in. Regards, Tim -- Timothy Cook, MSc Health Informatics Research Services http://home.comcast.net/~tw_cook/ 01-904-322-8582 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mailman.oshca.org/pipermail/foss_health/attachments/20070518/da7883d6/attachment.pgp From drtushar.dey at gmail.com Fri May 18 15:33:30 2007 From: drtushar.dey at gmail.com (Dr. Tushar Dey) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Conference Results In-Reply-To: <1179462056.3590.80.camel@oship> References: <1179462056.3590.80.camel@oship> Message-ID: <8e815f300705180033r3be0acfl995a70f0cc2c85bd@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am unable to understand what project you are speaking. Can anu body help me please ? Thanks, Dr.Tusharkanti Dey On 5/18/07, Tim Cook wrote: > > All, > > One of the items that came out of the conference was the need for better > research and information regarding the use of FOSS in health care. > > I agreed to head up this project but I need many to assist if you have > some skills, access to literature and desire to do research. Even if > you choose not to be actively involved in producing the documents please > feel free to forward any and all information you may run across > regarding actual implementation of FOSS in health care settings. > > Luciana Cavalini has offered to help with the study design and if there > are other professional researchers available please pitch in. > > Regards, > Tim > > > -- > Timothy Cook, MSc > Health Informatics Research Services > http://home.comcast.net/~tw_cook/ > 01-904-322-8582 > > _______________________________________________ > FOSS_health mailing list > FOSS_health@oshca.org > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.oshca.org/pipermail/foss_health/attachments/20070518/a1174792/attachment.html From arin.basu at gmail.com Fri May 18 16:13:37 2007 From: arin.basu at gmail.com (Arindam Basu) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Conference Results In-Reply-To: <1179462056.3590.80.camel@oship> References: <1179462056.3590.80.camel@oship> Message-ID: <464D6031.80506@gmail.com> Hi Tim: Count me in, if you will, in the project. I am a medical doctor (an Ear nose and throat surgeon) and an epidemiologist, and I am skilled in the following languages and have developed applications in open source: R for statistical computing, Linux/Apache/MySql/PHP/Python, and Ruby. I direct the Fogarty International Training Program on Environmental and Occupational Health in India and teach computing at West Bengal University of Technology for their management program, in addition to my clinical practice. Much of my work involves training and research of doctoral and post-doctoral level students in environmental and occupational health, and teaching them basics and advanced techniques of data analysis and graphics. I have been using and promoting Linux/OpenOffice/LaTeX suites well over the last five years, and would much like to see more FOSS implementation in health and medical care. Kind regards, Arin Basu Tim Cook wrote: > All, > > One of the items that came out of the conference was the need for better > research and information regarding the use of FOSS in health care. > > I agreed to head up this project but I need many to assist if you have > some skills, access to literature and desire to do research. Even if > you choose not to be actively involved in producing the documents please > feel free to forward any and all information you may run across > regarding actual implementation of FOSS in health care settings. > > Luciana Cavalini has offered to help with the study design and if there > are other professional researchers available please pitch in. > > Regards, > Tim > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > FOSS_health mailing list > FOSS_health@oshca.org > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > From tw_cook at comcast.net Fri May 18 18:53:12 2007 From: tw_cook at comcast.net (Tim Cook) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:21 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Conference Results In-Reply-To: <8e815f300705180033r3be0acfl995a70f0cc2c85bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1179462056.3590.80.camel@oship> <8e815f300705180033r3be0acfl995a70f0cc2c85bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1179485592.3590.89.camel@oship> On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 13:03 +0530, Dr. Tushar Dey wrote: > Hi, > > I am unable to understand what project you are speaking. Can anu body > help me please > ? > > Thanks, > Dr.Tusharkanti Dey > Dr. Dey, I am not speaking about a specific FOSS project. Instead we aim to perform a systematic review / meta-analysis on the use of any and all FOSS applications in health care. We expect to put together one or more academic papers on the subject in order to enhance the credibility of FOSS in the health informatics domain. Does this help explain the purpose of the study? Regards, Tim -- Timothy Cook, MSc Health Informatics Research Services http://home.comcast.net/~tw_cook/ 01-904-322-8582 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The volume of email will serve to maintain a nice level of excitement. However, we may at some point, find a need to tag our subject lines with the a name for each activity. We'll play it by ear for now. Regards, Tim -- Timothy Cook, MSc Health Informatics Research Services http://home.comcast.net/~tw_cook/ 01-904-322-8582 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mailman.oshca.org/pipermail/foss_health/attachments/20070518/ecc79d39/attachment.pgp From tw_cook at comcast.net Fri May 18 19:00:08 2007 From: tw_cook at comcast.net (Tim Cook) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] OSCC Photos Message-ID: <1179486008.3590.97.camel@oship> The OSCC has put up some photos from our trip there on 12 May. See: http://gallery.oscc.org.my Regards, Tim -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mailman.oshca.org/pipermail/foss_health/attachments/20070518/0932dc93/attachment.pgp From tw_cook at comcast.net Sat May 19 07:58:45 2007 From: tw_cook at comcast.net (Tim Cook) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Research was: Conference Results In-Reply-To: <200705182350.l4INoAkD029114@svcstsnq08.hotspot.t-mobile.com> References: <200705182350.l4INoAkD029114@svcstsnq08.hotspot.t-mobile.com> Message-ID: <1179532725.25453.53.camel@oship> On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 16:50 -0700, Tom Jones wrote: > Were you aware of the attached articles? The first is focused on health > care; the second includes health care along with other industries; the third > covers open source use in a narrow domain in health care. > > Tom Thanks Tom. These are exactly the types of items that can benefit our systematic review. I was actually aware of 2 of the 3 but no matter. We can sort out duplicates easy enough. Cheers, Tim -- Timothy Cook, MSc Health Informatics Research Services http://home.comcast.net/~tw_cook/ 01-904-322-8582 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Are you planning to set up something like that already, or does something already exist specifically for this project that we can use? Something like, say a wiki, or an online database that can be updated collaboratively by several members? Opinions? /Arin Tim Cook wrote: > Luciana, > > I know you are probably already working on a framework for this project > but I just wanted to ask if you think a grounded theory approach is > appropriate given that we will have a variety of inputs such as academic > papers, white papers, presentations, podcasts, etc. ? > > Cheers, > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > FOSS_health mailing list > FOSS_health@oshca.org > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > From drcheah at pc.jaring.my Sat May 19 09:53:34 2007 From: drcheah at pc.jaring.my (Molly Cheah) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Study Framework In-Reply-To: <464E4939.4000407@gmail.com> References: <1179205359.3456.5.camel@oship> <005201c7972c$fb76a380$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179338884.7031.48.camel@oship> <000501c798ae$178a0080$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179533720.25453.63.camel@oship> <464E4939.4000407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <464E589E.8040208@pc.jaring.my> Dear Arindam, The OSHCA web-portal at http://oshca.org is meant to be organised to provide for this central "repository" for all OSHCA projects and initiatives. If its yet to acquire that capability, it will subsequently as one of the deliverables for the "Collaborative Grant" that OSHCA is refining for re-submission to IOSN ASEAN+3. All those who volunteered to be in charge of projects/ideas (whatever), please articulate what individual projects wish to have for their projects on the web-portal and the grant proposal will include that into the deliverables... We came up with a list on the 4th day of the conference and I'm waiting for Joseph to send that to me. Rgds, Molly Arindam Basu wrote: > Hi Tim: > > I understand we may require a central "repository" kind of placeholder > entity, where we can store all our "articles", "whitepapers", software > or links to software, etc, and all other stuff that comes to mind > related to this project some way down the project, if not right away. > Are you planning to set up something like that already, or does > something already exist specifically for this project that we can use? > Something like, say a wiki, or an online database that can be updated > collaboratively by several members? > > Opinions? > > /Arin > > > > Tim Cook wrote: > >> Luciana, >> >> I know you are probably already working on a framework for this project >> but I just wanted to ask if you think a grounded theory approach is >> appropriate given that we will have a variety of inputs such as academic >> papers, white papers, presentations, podcasts, etc. ? >> >> Cheers, >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FOSS_health mailing list >> FOSS_health@oshca.org >> http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health >> > > > _______________________________________________ > FOSS_health mailing list > FOSS_health@oshca.org > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > > From tw_cook at comcast.net Sat May 19 09:59:21 2007 From: tw_cook at comcast.net (Tim Cook) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Web Portal Issues was: Study Framework In-Reply-To: <464E4939.4000407@gmail.com> References: <1179205359.3456.5.camel@oship> <005201c7972c$fb76a380$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179338884.7031.48.camel@oship> <000501c798ae$178a0080$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179533720.25453.63.camel@oship> <464E4939.4000407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1179539961.25453.82.camel@oship> The thought that I had on this was that we will use the OSHCA server. We have agreement from the Open Source Competency Center to host it (the new OSHCA server) there so it will have better bandwidth than where it is now. We also need to add a couple of additional Plone products and upgrade Plone. However, these activities really require someone on the ground there to download and install these products. I had intended to address this issue with Boh Heong Yap since he is in the area (same country at least) and had asked about the Wiki capability. I also have a query into the OSCC as to their ability to help in this regard. Certainly we need to relieve Molly of this burden. She has spent many hours of her own and certainly many pad staff hours to support this web presence. The parallel issue here is that if we are doing qualitative analysis then we really need a software package to do this. I like Atlas.ti but it can be quite expensive. I am looking into the free CDC application AnSWR but I have yet to be successful getting it installed and running. Does anyone know of other free / open source qualitative ananlysis software? Regards, Tim On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 06:17 +0530, Arindam Basu wrote: > Hi Tim: > > I understand we may require a central "repository" kind of placeholder > entity, where we can store all our "articles", "whitepapers", software > or links to software, etc, and all other stuff that comes to mind > related to this project some way down the project, if not right away. > Are you planning to set up something like that already, or does > something already exist specifically for this project that we can use? > Something like, say a wiki, or an online database that can be updated > collaboratively by several members? > > Opinions? > > /Arin > > > > Tim Cook wrote: > > Luciana, > > > > I know you are probably already working on a framework for this project > > but I just wanted to ask if you think a grounded theory approach is > > appropriate given that we will have a variety of inputs such as academic > > papers, white papers, presentations, podcasts, etc. ? > > > > Cheers, > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FOSS_health mailing list > > FOSS_health@oshca.org > > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > > > -- Timothy Cook, MSc Health Informatics Research Services http://home.comcast.net/~tw_cook/ 01-904-322-8582 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If its yet to acquire that capability, it will subsequently > as one of the deliverables for the "Collaborative Grant" that OSHCA is > refining for re-submission to IOSN ASEAN+3. Thanks Molly. > > All those who volunteered to be in charge of projects/ideas (whatever), > please articulate what individual projects wish to have for their > projects on the web-portal and the grant proposal will include that into > the deliverables... I'll compile that list for the research project immediately. > We came up with a list on the 4th day of the conference and I'm waiting > for Joseph to send that to me. I request that Joseph posts that list to this mailing lists as well. This will help involve everyone who could not be at that meeting. Regards, Tim -- Timothy Cook, MSc Health Informatics Research Services http://home.comcast.net/~tw_cook/ 01-904-322-8582 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For qualitative data analysis software in open source, there are several choices: http://www.pressure.to/qda/ [Weft QDA] http://tamsys.sourceforge.net/ [Text Analysis Markup System Analyzer] I use R for statistical computing, which is open source, and several packages are available here as well from the CRAN repository: URI -- http://cran.r-project.org and search from there FactoMineR QCA pacakge LoopAnalyst SensoMineR and Stochmod Best, /Arin From dalmolin at e-cology.ca Thu May 17 11:48:13 2007 From: dalmolin at e-cology.ca (Joseph Dal Molin) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] VistA and HL7 Message-ID: <464BD07D.9020205@e-cology.ca> WorldVistA EHR has all the integration capabilities of VistA, plus we are using the Mirth integration engine. Joseph From au.jaiganesh at gmail.com Thu May 17 16:15:46 2007 From: au.jaiganesh at gmail.com (Jai Ganesh) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Re: [participants] OSHCA inter-operability list In-Reply-To: <464BBA2B.7060602@pc.jaring.my> References: <294404.24341.qm@web58709.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <464BBA2B.7060602@pc.jaring.my> Message-ID: Hello, I am keen to join this effort on interoperability. I am working as a project coordinator for implementing HIS, PACS and Telehealth projects of my institution which provides primary, secondary and tertiary care healthcare services besides rural outreach in India. I was a contributor to the National Taskforce for Telemedicine Standardisation in India. Looking forward to work on interoperability issues related to healthcare FOSS. Thank you very much. Regards Jai -- A.U.Jai Ganesh, MSc, MBA., Project Coordinator, Enterprise Healthcare Information systems, Sri Sathya Sai Health System. Prashanthi Nilayam. India. - Show quoted On 5/17/07, Molly Cheah wrote: > > Nandalal, > > I have forwarded your email to the FOSS_health@oshca.org list. Please > continue discussions on interoperability on that list. Appreciate your > co-operation on this so that it will be easier for OSHCA to monitor and > report on these activities later. > > I would like to request those who wanted to participate in the > interoperability test beds to subscribe to the FOSS_health@oshca.org > list asap. > > I will be re-submitting OSHCA's proposal for the Collaborative Grant to > IOSN+3 next week and I will rely on the discussions on that list to add > content and names of interested parties as partners to that grant > proposal. I will also outline what are needed in the grant proposal > particularly related to deliverables for the grant proposal. 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Tom -----Original Message----- From: foss_health-bounces@oshca.org [mailto:foss_health-bounces@oshca.org] On Behalf Of Tim Cook Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:21 PM To: FOSS Health Subject: [FOSS_health] Conference Results All, One of the items that came out of the conference was the need for better research and information regarding the use of FOSS in health care. I agreed to head up this project but I need many to assist if you have some skills, access to literature and desire to do research. Even if you choose not to be actively involved in producing the documents please feel free to forward any and all information you may run across regarding actual implementation of FOSS in health care settings. Luciana Cavalini has offered to help with the study design and if there are other professional researchers available please pitch in. 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Tom -----Original Message----- From: foss_health-bounces@oshca.org [mailto:foss_health-bounces@oshca.org] On Behalf Of Tim Cook Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:21 PM To: FOSS Health Subject: [FOSS_health] Conference Results All, One of the items that came out of the conference was the need for better research and information regarding the use of FOSS in health care. I agreed to head up this project but I need many to assist if you have some skills, access to literature and desire to do research. Even if you choose not to be actively involved in producing the documents please feel free to forward any and all information you may run across regarding actual implementation of FOSS in health care settings. Luciana Cavalini has offered to help with the study design and if there are other professional researchers available please pitch in. Regards, Tim -- Timothy Cook, MSc Health Informatics Research Services http://home.comcast.net/~tw_cook/ 01-904-322-8582 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Toward FOSS Health Care Systems Integration.pdf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1000201 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.oshca.org/pipermail/foss_health/attachments/20070518/81fe9360/TowardFOSSHealthCareSystemsIntegration.obj From drcheah at pc.jaring.my Sat May 19 12:34:27 2007 From: drcheah at pc.jaring.my (Molly Cheah) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Interoperability issues at HIMSS in Singapore a week after OSHCA 2007. Message-ID: <464E7E53.2030708@pc.jaring.my> This is a challenge to OSHCA's interoperability efforts. Please subscribe to FOSS_health@oshca.org to participate in the FOSS efforts co-ordinated by OSHCA. Go to http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health to subscribe. This is a follow-up to the OSHCA Conference 2007 with the Theme: "Moving the FOSS Agenda for Health: Setting the Framework for Interoperability" Molly http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/business/0,39044229,62013364,00.htm *Healthcare must step up IT adoption* By Isabelle Chan , ZDNet Asia Wednesday, May 16 2007 04:38 PM *SINGAPORE--Electronic medical records (EMR) may be a reality in some parts of the world today, but the healthcare sector would do well to adopt more information technologies so as to provide quality patient care.* Speaking at the opening of the first Healthcare Information and Management Systems Society (HIMSS) AsiaPac 2007 conference here Wednesday, Singapore's Minister for Health Khaw Boon Wan drove home the message that IT holds the key to containing rising healthcare costs and, at the same time, ensuing quality healthcare. "We all say that healthcare providers should treat patients holistically as a team, share information about the patients and partner one another to bring care to the patients, without duplicating efforts or replicating tests. "Yet, the reality is quite different," Khaw said. "Relatively few doctors, clinics and hospitals in the world consistently practise pro-active prevention regimes. Many chronically-ill are not receiving appropriate care at the appropriate level, and continue to be treated in more expensive tertiary settings unnecessarily." "Seamless, integrated care for patients across the whole healthcare ecosystem remains like the Holy Grail--widely sought by many, but still a distant, seemingly unattainable goal," he added. The minister called for greater adoption of IT, noting that the healthcare sector was a laggard compared to the high-tech manufacturing and financial services industries. "Healthcare, unfortunately, remains many steps behind other sectors," he said. From nandalalx at yahoo.com Sat May 19 15:50:45 2007 From: nandalalx at yahoo.com (Nandalal Gunaratne) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Study Framework In-Reply-To: <464E4939.4000407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <304026.85399.qm@web58709.mail.re1.yahoo.com> This is a good idea! --- Arindam Basu wrote: > Hi Tim: > > I understand we may require a central "repository" > kind of placeholder > entity, where we can store all our "articles", > "whitepapers", software > or links to software, etc, and all other stuff that > comes to mind > related to this project some way down the project, > if not right away. > Are you planning to set up something like that > already, or does > something already exist specifically for this > project that we can use? > Something like, say a wiki, or an online database > that can be updated > collaboratively by several members? > > Opinions? > > /Arin > > > > Tim Cook wrote: > > Luciana, > > > > I know you are probably already working on a > framework for this project > > but I just wanted to ask if you think a grounded > theory approach is > > appropriate given that we will have a variety of > inputs such as academic > > papers, white papers, presentations, podcasts, > etc. ? > > > > Cheers, > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FOSS_health mailing list > > FOSS_health@oshca.org > > > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > > > > _______________________________________________ > FOSS_health mailing list > FOSS_health@oshca.org > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From nandalalx at yahoo.com Sat May 19 16:15:07 2007 From: nandalalx at yahoo.com (Nandalal Gunaratne) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Web Portal Issues was: Study Framework In-Reply-To: <1179539961.25453.82.camel@oship> Message-ID: <542666.68727.qm@web58708.mail.re1.yahoo.com> For qualitative analysis what you mention are the best. There is one which is free and open source listed in the oshca site of healthcare applications I put up using Tiddlywiki. It may not be as comprehensive as the ones you mention, but has a few basic features. Nandalal --- Tim Cook wrote: > > The thought that I had on this was that we will use > the OSHCA server. > We have agreement from the Open Source Competency > Center to host it (the > new OSHCA server) there so it will have better > bandwidth than where it > is now. We also need to add a couple of additional > Plone products and > upgrade Plone. However, these activities really > require someone on the > ground there to download and install these products. > I had intended to > address this issue with Boh Heong Yap since he is in > the area (same > country at least) and had asked about the Wiki > capability. I also have > a query into the OSCC as to their ability to help in > this regard. > > Certainly we need to relieve Molly of this burden. > She has spent many > hours of her own and certainly many pad staff hours > to support this web > presence. > > The parallel issue here is that if we are doing > qualitative analysis > then we really need a software package to do this. > I like Atlas.ti but > it can be quite expensive. I am looking into the > free CDC application > AnSWR but I have yet to be successful getting it > installed and > running. > > Does anyone know of other free / open source > qualitative ananlysis > software? > > Regards, > Tim > > > > > > On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 06:17 +0530, Arindam Basu > wrote: > > Hi Tim: > > > > I understand we may require a central "repository" > kind of placeholder > > entity, where we can store all our "articles", > "whitepapers", software > > or links to software, etc, and all other stuff > that comes to mind > > related to this project some way down the project, > if not right away. > > Are you planning to set up something like that > already, or does > > something already exist specifically for this > project that we can use? > > Something like, say a wiki, or an online database > that can be updated > > collaboratively by several members? > > > > Opinions? > > > > /Arin > > > > > > > > Tim Cook wrote: > > > Luciana, > > > > > > I know you are probably already working on a > framework for this project > > > but I just wanted to ask if you think a grounded > theory approach is > > > appropriate given that we will have a variety of > inputs such as academic > > > papers, white papers, presentations, podcasts, > etc. ? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > FOSS_health mailing list > > > FOSS_health@oshca.org > > > > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > > > > > > -- > Timothy Cook, MSc > Health Informatics Research Services > http://home.comcast.net/~tw_cook/ > 01-904-322-8582 > > _______________________________________________ > FOSS_health mailing list > FOSS_health@oshca.org > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > ____________________________________________________________________________________Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From dalmolin at e-cology.ca Sun May 20 00:38:21 2007 From: dalmolin at e-cology.ca (Joseph Dal Molin) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Study Framework In-Reply-To: <464E589E.8040208@pc.jaring.my> References: <1179205359.3456.5.camel@oship> <005201c7972c$fb76a380$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179338884.7031.48.camel@oship> <000501c798ae$178a0080$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179533720.25453.63.camel@oship> <464E4939.4000407@gmail.com> <464E589E.8040208@pc.jaring.my> Message-ID: <464F27FD.80206@e-cology.ca> Here are the notes I took during the brainstorming workshop... apologies for the point form. Joseph Molly Cheah wrote: > Dear Arindam, > > The OSHCA web-portal at http://oshca.org is meant to be organised to > provide for this central "repository" for all OSHCA projects and > initiatives. If its yet to acquire that capability, it will subsequently > as one of the deliverables for the "Collaborative Grant" that OSHCA is > refining for re-submission to IOSN ASEAN+3. > > All those who volunteered to be in charge of projects/ideas (whatever), > please articulate what individual projects wish to have for their > projects on the web-portal and the grant proposal will include that into > the deliverables... > > We came up with a list on the 4th day of the conference and I'm waiting > for Joseph to send that to me. > > Rgds, > Molly > Arindam Basu wrote: > >> Hi Tim: >> >> I understand we may require a central "repository" kind of placeholder >> entity, where we can store all our "articles", "whitepapers", software >> or links to software, etc, and all other stuff that comes to mind >> related to this project some way down the project, if not right away. >> Are you planning to set up something like that already, or does >> something already exist specifically for this project that we can use? >> Something like, say a wiki, or an online database that can be updated >> collaboratively by several members? >> >> Opinions? >> >> /Arin >> >> >> >> Tim Cook wrote: >> >>> Luciana, >>> >>> I know you are probably already working on a framework for this project >>> but I just wanted to ask if you think a grounded theory approach is >>> appropriate given that we will have a variety of inputs such as academic >>> papers, white papers, presentations, podcasts, etc. ? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FOSS_health mailing list >>> FOSS_health@oshca.org >>> http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FOSS_health mailing list >> FOSS_health@oshca.org >> http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > FOSS_health mailing list > FOSS_health@oshca.org > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > . > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OSHCA Friday Workshop.odt Type: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text Size: 15952 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.oshca.org/pipermail/foss_health/attachments/20070519/d9fedcd9/OSHCAFridayWorkshop.bin From bhyz at mac.com Sun May 20 04:31:11 2007 From: bhyz at mac.com (Boh Heong Yap) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Resource Center: for Study Framework etc.. In-Reply-To: <1179539961.25453.82.camel@oship> References: <1179205359.3456.5.camel@oship> <005201c7972c$fb76a380$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179338884.7031.48.camel@oship> <000501c798ae$178a0080$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179533720.25453.63.camel@oship> <464E4939.4000407@gmail.com> <1179539961.25453.82.camel@oship> Message-ID: <20070519203111.26636@smtp.mac.com> hi Tim, Molly and all, Yes there seems to be a lot of things that such a "Resource Center" is supposed to do/to be. From the discussions so far, this is what seems to be needed (pls correct if I'm wrong) 1. Resource repository: a. presentations from OSHCA 2007 a repository for all presentation/workshop materials from the conference for download purposes. There should be the possibility for uploading (one time only, unless presenters update their material) and for downloading or viewing on line. b. FOSS in Health Care: Study Framework repositiory for articles, possibly as links with a short description, this could be set up as a SlashDot type list but more well cataloged/categorised and using a Wiki as a mechanism? see this as an example: of how articles can be listed, simple and clear and also enhance it by addding 'tags' to make it more easilly searchable. also wiki(s) to capture knowledge-base of the specific sub-areas id any. 2. OSHCA Interoperability project - nothing formalised yet here... but it could be a wiki definition of the project, its objectives, scope, timeline... - list of intended projects, ie: interoperability between SHANA and NetEPI (for e.g.), etc.. - list of intended Test-beds for the individual test beds... 3. OSHCA Human Resource list I remember talking briefly to someone at the conf. about this, but can't remember who, so perhaps I can suggest it here... We should collect the profiles and resume's of all OSHCA members, (and from what I have seen, its pretty impressive) this would not only give OSHCA great credibility, but such a list would be a great markeing tool/weapon even, when any of us need to present to the likes of government of private sector. Certainly proprietry advocates would find it hard enuff to drum up a similar list. This is something the big consultants do, and use to win business, we shld do the same.. ... there are quite a few more we can think of... Along with the above.. there are the ususal issues of access control, who can read, write/edit/upload data and so on. There may also be need for creations of groups for individual projects and the general sysadmin of all that, which can be a fair bit of work. I volunteer to help out with such work, but I cannot do it alone. As a freeelancer, my own projects take priority, as I do not have the cushion of a salary;-) Also how much resource we can get from OSCC I do not know. Molly, can you initiate a introduction via email and I can take it from there to asses the technical scope/capabilities... As Molly mentioned, we will need to upgrade and install apps., these require admin. privilages (or they can allow sudo/chroot etc..) and OSCC may not want to grant us such privilages ... remains to be seen. Another alternative is to just get space from them and use our own server (HW) and we can manage it completely. I can source unbranded Intel 1U servers from about 4k RM, config with Intel MB, 1Gb RAM, 2x250Gb HD. Also I do not know Plone, but shld be able to pick up given time... which is always in short supply;-) We need to discuss this further, and perhaps form a small team of ppl who can do sysadmin work and willing to contribute. Lets continue discussing this... maybe take this off the mail-list ? > >The thought that I had on this was that we will use the OSHCA server. >We have agreement from the Open Source Competency Center to host it (the >new OSHCA server) there so it will have better bandwidth than where it >is now. We also need to add a couple of additional Plone products and >upgrade Plone. However, these activities really require someone on the >ground there to download and install these products. I had intended to >address this issue with Boh Heong Yap since he is in the area (same >country at least) and had asked about the Wiki capability. I also have >a query into the OSCC as to their ability to help in this regard. > >Certainly we need to relieve Molly of this burden. She has spent many >hours of her own and certainly many pad staff hours to support this web >presence. > >The parallel issue here is that if we are doing qualitative analysis >then we really need a software package to do this. I like Atlas.ti but >it can be quite expensive. I am looking into the free CDC application >AnSWR but I have yet to be successful getting it installed and >running. > >Does anyone know of other free / open source qualitative ananlysis >software? > >Regards, >Tim > > > > > >On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 06:17 +0530, Arindam Basu wrote: >> Hi Tim: >> >> I understand we may require a central "repository" kind of placeholder >> entity, where we can store all our "articles", "whitepapers", software >> or links to software, etc, and all other stuff that comes to mind >> related to this project some way down the project, if not right away. >> Are you planning to set up something like that already, or does >> something already exist specifically for this project that we can use? >> Something like, say a wiki, or an online database that can be updated >> collaboratively by several members? >> >> Opinions? >> >> /Arin >> >> >> >> Tim Cook wrote: >> > Luciana, >> > >> > I know you are probably already working on a framework for this project >> > but I just wanted to ask if you think a grounded theory approach is >> > appropriate given that we will have a variety of inputs such as academic >> > papers, white papers, presentations, podcasts, etc. ? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > FOSS_health mailing list >> > FOSS_health@oshca.org >> > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health >> > >> >-- >Timothy Cook, MSc >Health Informatics Research Services >http://home.comcast.net/~tw_cook/ >01-904-322-8582 >_______________________________________________ >FOSS_health mailing list >FOSS_health@oshca.org >http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health From wfpearson at gmail.com Sun May 20 07:59:51 2007 From: wfpearson at gmail.com (William F Pearson III) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Resource Center: for Study Framework etc.. In-Reply-To: <20070519203111.26636@smtp.mac.com> References: <1179205359.3456.5.camel@oship> <005201c7972c$fb76a380$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179338884.7031.48.camel@oship> <000501c798ae$178a0080$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179533720.25453.63.camel@oship> <464E4939.4000407@gmail.com> <1179539961.25453.82.camel@oship> <20070519203111.26636@smtp.mac.com> Message-ID: <4765aee0705191659u3833dbd4qbda0d69de8f59806@mail.gmail.com> Just a quick reply. I was unable to attend the conference by I'm currently developing a Plone site for my employer. It will be a portal for physicians to communicate and a repository for information about their various committees. I can vouch for its easy of management as well as the ease of use. Feel free to email me if you have any questions about it. On 5/19/07, Boh Heong Yap wrote: > hi Tim, Molly and all, > > Yes there seems to be a lot of things that such a "Resource Center" is > supposed to do/to be. From the discussions so far, this is what seems to > be needed (pls correct if I'm wrong) > > 1. Resource repository: > a. presentations from OSHCA 2007 > a repository for all presentation/workshop materials from > the conference for download purposes. > There should be the possibility for uploading (one time only, > unless presenters update their material) and for downloading > or viewing on line. > > b. FOSS in Health Care: Study Framework > repositiory for articles, possibly as links with a short > description, this could be set up as a SlashDot type list but > more well cataloged/categorised and using a Wiki as a mechanism? > > see this as an example: of how articles can be listed, > simple and clear > > and also enhance it by addding 'tags' to make it more > easilly searchable. > > also wiki(s) to capture knowledge-base of the specific sub-areas > id any. > > 2. OSHCA Interoperability project > - nothing formalised yet here... but it could be a wiki definition > of the project, its objectives, scope, timeline... > > - list of intended projects, ie: > interoperability between SHANA and NetEPI (for e.g.), etc.. > > - list of intended Test-beds for the individual test beds... > > 3. OSHCA Human Resource list > > I remember talking briefly to someone at the conf. about this, > but can't remember who, so perhaps I can suggest it here... > > We should collect the profiles and resume's of all OSHCA members, > (and from what I have seen, its pretty impressive) this would > not only give OSHCA great credibility, but such a list would > be a great markeing tool/weapon even, when any of us need to > present to the likes of government of private sector. > Certainly proprietry advocates would find it hard enuff to > drum up a similar list. > > This is something the big consultants do, and use to win business, > we shld do the same.. > > ... there are quite a few more we can think of... > > Along with the above.. there are the ususal issues of access control, > who can read, write/edit/upload data and so on. There may also be need > for creations of groups for individual projects and the general sysadmin > of all that, which can be a fair bit of work. > > I volunteer to help out with such work, but I cannot do it alone. As a > freeelancer, my own projects take priority, as I do not have the cushion > of a salary;-) > > Also how much resource we can get from OSCC I do not know. Molly, can > you initiate a introduction via email and I can take it from there to > asses the technical scope/capabilities... > As Molly mentioned, we will need to upgrade and install apps., these > require admin. privilages (or they can allow sudo/chroot etc..) and OSCC > may not want to grant us such privilages ... remains to be seen. Another > alternative is to just get space from them and use our own server (HW) > and we can manage it completely. I can source unbranded Intel 1U servers > from about 4k RM, config with Intel MB, 1Gb RAM, 2x250Gb HD. > > Also I do not know Plone, but shld be able to pick up given time... > which is always in short supply;-) > > We need to discuss this further, and perhaps form a small team of ppl > who can do sysadmin work and willing to contribute. Lets continue > discussing this... maybe take this off the mail-list ? > > > >The thought that I had on this was that we will use the OSHCA server. > >We have agreement from the Open Source Competency Center to host it (the > >new OSHCA server) there so it will have better bandwidth than where it > >is now. We also need to add a couple of additional Plone products and > >upgrade Plone. However, these activities really require someone on the > >ground there to download and install these products. I had intended to > >address this issue with Boh Heong Yap since he is in the area (same > >country at least) and had asked about the Wiki capability. I also have > >a query into the OSCC as to their ability to help in this regard. > > > >Certainly we need to relieve Molly of this burden. She has spent many > >hours of her own and certainly many pad staff hours to support this web > >presence. > > > >The parallel issue here is that if we are doing qualitative analysis > >then we really need a software package to do this. I like Atlas.ti but > >it can be quite expensive. I am looking into the free CDC application > >AnSWR but I have yet to be successful getting it installed and > >running. > > > >Does anyone know of other free / open source qualitative ananlysis > >software? > > > >Regards, > >Tim > > > > > > > > > > > >On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 06:17 +0530, Arindam Basu wrote: > >> Hi Tim: > >> > >> I understand we may require a central "repository" kind of placeholder > >> entity, where we can store all our "articles", "whitepapers", software > >> or links to software, etc, and all other stuff that comes to mind > >> related to this project some way down the project, if not right away. > >> Are you planning to set up something like that already, or does > >> something already exist specifically for this project that we can use? > >> Something like, say a wiki, or an online database that can be updated > >> collaboratively by several members? > >> > >> Opinions? > >> > >> /Arin > >> > >> > >> > >> Tim Cook wrote: > >> > Luciana, > >> > > >> > I know you are probably already working on a framework for this project > >> > but I just wanted to ask if you think a grounded theory approach is > >> > appropriate given that we will have a variety of inputs such as academic > >> > papers, white papers, presentations, podcasts, etc. ? > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > FOSS_health mailing list > >> > FOSS_health@oshca.org > >> > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > >> > > >> > >-- > >Timothy Cook, MSc > >Health Informatics Research Services > >http://home.comcast.net/~tw_cook/ > >01-904-322-8582 > >_______________________________________________ > >FOSS_health mailing list > >FOSS_health@oshca.org > >http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > > > _______________________________________________ > FOSS_health mailing list > FOSS_health@oshca.org > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > -- William F Pearson III From tw_cook at comcast.net Sun May 20 12:58:21 2007 From: tw_cook at comcast.net (Tim Cook) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Resource Center: for Study Framework etc.. In-Reply-To: <20070519203111.26636@smtp.mac.com> References: <1179205359.3456.5.camel@oship> <005201c7972c$fb76a380$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179338884.7031.48.camel@oship> <000501c798ae$178a0080$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179533720.25453.63.camel@oship> <464E4939.4000407@gmail.com> <1179539961.25453.82.camel@oship> <20070519203111.26636@smtp.mac.com> Message-ID: <1179637101.25453.215.camel@oship> Hi Boh, I will place replies in-line below but I wanted to let everyone know that some of these issues are taken care of solutions are in the works already. I hope my comments below help. On Sun, 2007-05-20 at 04:31 +0800, Boh Heong Yap wrote: > hi Tim, Molly and all, > > Yes there seems to be a lot of things that such a "Resource Center" is > supposed to do/to be. From the discussions so far, this is what seems to > be needed (pls correct if I'm wrong) > > 1. Resource repository: > a. presentations from OSHCA 2007 > a repository for all presentation/workshop materials from > the conference for download purposes. > There should be the possibility for uploading (one time only, > unless presenters update their material) and for downloading > or viewing on line. The Plone site (Plone is a python based content management application) is fully able to handle this. You can see that I have uploaded some of the presentations already. > > b. FOSS in Health Care: Study Framework > repositiory for articles, possibly as links with a short > description, this could be set up as a SlashDot type list but > more well cataloged/categorised and using a Wiki as a mechanism? > > see this as an example: of how articles can be listed, > simple and clear > > and also enhance it by addding 'tags' to make it more > easilly searchable. > > also wiki(s) to capture knowledge-base of the specific sub-areas > id any. Actually what we need here is simply a file repository. *IF** the analysis software will allow us to share a database then we may store that here as well. But in general I think we will only be storing source files here and exchange analysis information in other formats. Again, Plone provides for this out of the box. The tagging is taken care of because Plone provides for standard Dublin Core meta-data. one of those meta-data items is a subject or keyword list. They are part of every object stored in Plone. > 2. OSHCA Interoperability project > - nothing formalised yet here... but it could be a wiki definition > of the project, its objectives, scope, timeline... > > - list of intended projects, ie: > interoperability between SHANA and NetEPI (for e.g.), etc.. > > - list of intended Test-beds for the individual test beds... Could be a Wiki based project I guess. There is the ZWiki product that I have asked to be installed on the OSHCA server. It is the same one I installed for the local server at the conference. > 3. OSHCA Human Resource list > > I remember talking briefly to someone at the conf. about this, > but can't remember who, so perhaps I can suggest it here... > > We should collect the profiles and resume's of all OSHCA members, > (and from what I have seen, its pretty impressive) this would > not only give OSHCA great credibility, but such a list would > be a great markeing tool/weapon even, when any of us need to > present to the likes of government of private sector. > Certainly proprietry advocates would find it hard enuff to > drum up a similar list. I have requested the registered members list so that I can add each one to the portal. This would allow for each person to upload any document they wish to publish and one of the people with reviewers rights can determine if that document is suitable prior to it being published on the public website. > This is something the big consultants do, and use to win business, > we shld do the same.. This is true and as you suggested, could be a HUGE marketing tool. > ... there are quite a few more we can think of... > > Along with the above.. there are the ususal issues of access control, > who can read, write/edit/upload data and so on. There may also be need > for creations of groups for individual projects and the general sysadmin > of all that, which can be a fair bit of work. This is actually very easy in Plone. Zope (the underlying application server) has very fine grained access control and it is exposed in the Plone management interface. > I volunteer to help out with such work, but I cannot do it alone. As a > freeelancer, my own projects take priority, as I do not have the cushion > of a salary;-) I know that feeling well. :-) > Also how much resource we can get from OSCC I do not know. They have verbally agreed to host a server on site and provide at least basic admin support. > Molly, can > you initiate a introduction via email and I can take it from there to > asses the technical scope/capabilities... I spoke with Madam Tan King Ing and the center manager Jacob (sorry surname is not at hand) during the tour and they agreed that they could provide support for OSHCA. I have their cards and can send you their emails if you need them. > As Molly mentioned, we will need to upgrade and install apps., these > require admin. privilages (or they can allow sudo/chroot etc..) and OSCC > may not want to grant us such privilages ... remains to be seen. Another > alternative is to just get space from them and use our own server (HW) > and we can manage it completely. I can source unbranded Intel 1U servers > from about 4k RM, config with Intel MB, 1Gb RAM, 2x250Gb HD. Molly has told me tha tshe has funding for a server. One needs to be selected and purchased. > > Also I do not know Plone, but shld be able to pick up given time... > which is always in short supply;-) > > We need to discuss this further, and perhaps form a small team of ppl > who can do sysadmin work and willing to contribute. Lets continue > discussing this... maybe take this off the mail-list ? I believe all discussions should remain on list so that in case someone new needs to get involved they will have all the information. Myself and others are familiar with Plone. It is a very versatile and capable CMS. For some ppl it is overkill. For our needs I think it is just right. We can easily perform management tasks via the web but importing information and installing new products requires filesystem access; best done on a local level. I would be happy to walk any one through the process of installing the additional Plone products. Also I do not know what the competition can do but Plone comes with over 35 languages supported by it's i18n framework. In addition to the standard Plone objects, the following products should be installed: ZWiki Zwiki Folder AROfficeTransforms Conference Plone Templates (primarily for the FOSS products catalog) PloneMultimedia (included with newer versions of Plone) These are a handful of the products available: http://plone.org/products There is a lot of horsepower in Plone but it does have a bit more of a learning curve than some others. Cheers, Tim -- Timothy Cook, MSc Health Informatics Research Services http://home.comcast.net/~tw_cook/ 01-904-322-8582 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Developing an Open Source Electronic Medical Record System and Integrated Healthcare Applications Session #2 Key to Sustainable Development in Thai Hospitals Session #3 Perspectives on the Opportunities and Issues of FOSS for Health Care Workers Session #7 Continuity of Business with VistA/GT.M/Linux Session #9 Free/Open Source Software (FOSS): Towards a post-capitalist society Session #10 Critical success factors for implementing open source IT infrastructure ? an experience sharing Session #11 Open-source Electronic Medical Record Building a support ecology, the OSCAR experience Session #12 Open Enterprise Master Person Index Session #13 Integration and Interoperability Experiences in Healthcare IT Session #15 HL7 Interoperability Standard Session #16 Mirth Implementation in VistA Session #17 Matching and Disclosure Choices of Person's Health Records Across Institutional and Political Boundaries Session #18 GT.M - the ideal database for your health care application Session #20 WorldVistA EHR: The Foundation For An Open Health Care Architecture Session #21 QEMU Virtual Machines - a fast and friendly way to create software appliances Session #22 Hemotology Lab System: A Live Case Stud Session #23 VistA Logical Schema and Some Future Directions Session #24 Implications of FOSS in improving physician acceptance of health care IT. Session #26 A Portable Problem-Oriented Electronic Health Record (PPOEHR) Session #27 NetEpi: free, open-source tools for epidemiology and disease outbreak investigation and control on the Internet. Session #28 R Statistics Application Session #29 Knowledge Sharing: Enriching Healthcare Knowledge and Practice through Peer Production Session #30 Hospital Management Information System (HMIS) Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (PIMS), A unique success story: Could we do better with Open Source software ? Session #31 GEM: The use of generic engine to develop modules by non-programmers Session #32 Care2x Session #33 Creating RDBMS-powered Content Management Systems with Plone Session #35 Building Communities of Practise ? IOSN Session #37 Sahana: FOSS Disaster Management System Workshop #1 Vista Office EHR (VOE) Registration Workshop #2 MUMPS Programming Workshop #3 Workshop #4 VistA FOSS Stack Clinic Workshop #5 Workshop #6 A Computerized Data Visualization Tool for Medical Data Analysis: A Case Study on Acute Stroke Patients Workshop #8 Developing an Integrated Medical Data Management Application for Handheld Computers using Two Open Source Applications, EpiHandy and OpenMRS Workshop #9 & #10 Securing health information using VPN Workshop #13 Why Use Postgresql for your next database-driven application? (And MySQL) Workshop #14 GT.M Database Technical Overview Workshop #15 Python Workshop #16 Ruby on Rails Workshop #17 Developing Health Applications using Frameworks: Experience with PHP-Cake Workshop #18 Implementing open source applications in the commercial world - an experience sharing [TENTATIVELY CANCELLED] Workshop #19 Standardizing Enterprise Desktop Deployments using LTSP Workshop #20 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mailman.oshca.org/pipermail/foss_health/attachments/20070520/d9ba2a30/attachment.pgp From arin.basu at gmail.com Sun May 20 15:23:10 2007 From: arin.basu at gmail.com (Arindam Basu) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Resource Center: for Study Framework etc.. In-Reply-To: <1179637101.25453.215.camel@oship> References: <1179205359.3456.5.camel@oship> <005201c7972c$fb76a380$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179338884.7031.48.camel@oship> <000501c798ae$178a0080$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179533720.25453.63.camel@oship> <464E4939.4000407@gmail.com> <1179539961.25453.82.camel@oship> <20070519203111.26636@smtp.mac.com> <1179637101.25453.215.camel@oship> Message-ID: <464FF75E.4050607@gmail.com> Hi Tim and folks: Although I enjoy working with tikiwiki or MODx these days, I think Plone is a reasonable choice for a collaborative website -- reasonable but somewhat complicated. Plone is also extensible with python scripting, so if we do not like what we see in other software for our data analysis, we are free to write our own stuff! What I do not like in Plone is its somewhat dated., ugly look of the interface, and the complicated TALs (compared to that of textpattern or wordpress). Then again, the wiki system (Zwiki) is pretty much built in, and throw a blog in it if you will, and you have a great CMF/CMS to boot. What are the plans for setting up uniform search algorithms that people can follow to systematize literature retrieval? Which databases do we mine? Also, how about conducting several short publishable unit based lit reviews, as opposed to one, large joint publication with diverse subtopics? On a completely different note, I tried to register myself as a paying member at the OHSCA site, but was unsuccessful. What is the procedure to pay for memberships? Kind regards, Arin Tim Cook wrote: > Hi Boh, > > I will place replies in-line below but I wanted to let everyone know > that some of these issues are taken care of solutions are in the works > already. I hope my comments below help. > > On Sun, 2007-05-20 at 04:31 +0800, Boh Heong Yap wrote: > >> hi Tim, Molly and all, >> >> Yes there seems to be a lot of things that such a "Resource Center" is >> supposed to do/to be. From the discussions so far, this is what seems to >> be needed (pls correct if I'm wrong) >> >> 1. Resource repository: >> a. presentations from OSHCA 2007 >> a repository for all presentation/workshop materials from >> the conference for download purposes. >> There should be the possibility for uploading (one time only, >> unless presenters update their material) and for downloading >> or viewing on line. >> > > The Plone site (Plone is a python based content management application) > is fully able to handle this. You can see that I have uploaded some of > the presentations already. > > > > >> b. FOSS in Health Care: Study Framework >> repositiory for articles, possibly as links with a short >> description, this could be set up as a SlashDot type list but >> more well cataloged/categorised and using a Wiki as a mechanism? >> >> see this as an example: of how articles can be listed, >> simple and clear >> >> and also enhance it by addding 'tags' to make it more >> easilly searchable. >> >> also wiki(s) to capture knowledge-base of the specific sub-areas >> id any. >> > > Actually what we need here is simply a file repository. *IF** the > analysis software will allow us to share a database then we may store > that here as well. But in general I think we will only be storing > source files here and exchange analysis information in other formats. > > Again, Plone provides for this out of the box. The tagging is taken > care of because Plone provides for standard Dublin Core meta-data. one > of those meta-data items is a subject or keyword list. They are part of > every object stored in Plone. > > >> 2. OSHCA Interoperability project >> - nothing formalised yet here... but it could be a wiki definition >> of the project, its objectives, scope, timeline... >> >> - list of intended projects, ie: >> interoperability between SHANA and NetEPI (for e.g.), etc.. >> >> - list of intended Test-beds for the individual test beds... >> > > Could be a Wiki based project I guess. There is the ZWiki product that > I have asked to be installed on the OSHCA server. It is the same one I > installed for the local server at the conference. > > >> 3. OSHCA Human Resource list >> >> I remember talking briefly to someone at the conf. about this, >> but can't remember who, so perhaps I can suggest it here... >> >> We should collect the profiles and resume's of all OSHCA members, >> (and from what I have seen, its pretty impressive) this would >> not only give OSHCA great credibility, but such a list would >> be a great markeing tool/weapon even, when any of us need to >> present to the likes of government of private sector. >> Certainly proprietry advocates would find it hard enuff to >> drum up a similar list. >> > > I have requested the registered members list so that I can add each one > to the portal. This would allow for each person to upload any document > they wish to publish and one of the people with reviewers rights can > determine if that document is suitable prior to it being published on > the public website. > > > >> This is something the big consultants do, and use to win business, >> we shld do the same.. >> > > > This is true and as you suggested, could be a HUGE marketing tool. > > >> ... there are quite a few more we can think of... >> >> Along with the above.. there are the ususal issues of access control, >> who can read, write/edit/upload data and so on. There may also be need >> for creations of groups for individual projects and the general sysadmin >> of all that, which can be a fair bit of work. >> > > This is actually very easy in Plone. > Zope (the underlying application server) has very fine grained access > control and it is exposed in the Plone management interface. > > >> I volunteer to help out with such work, but I cannot do it alone. As a >> freeelancer, my own projects take priority, as I do not have the cushion >> of a salary;-) >> > > I know that feeling well. :-) > > >> Also how much resource we can get from OSCC I do not know. >> > > They have verbally agreed to host a server on site and provide at least > basic admin support. > > >> Molly, can >> you initiate a introduction via email and I can take it from there to >> asses the technical scope/capabilities... >> > > I spoke with Madam Tan King Ing and the center manager Jacob (sorry > surname is not at hand) during the tour and they agreed that they could > provide support for OSHCA. I have their cards and can send you their > emails if you need them. > > >> As Molly mentioned, we will need to upgrade and install apps., these >> require admin. privilages (or they can allow sudo/chroot etc..) and OSCC >> may not want to grant us such privilages ... remains to be seen. Another >> alternative is to just get space from them and use our own server (HW) >> and we can manage it completely. I can source unbranded Intel 1U servers >> from about 4k RM, config with Intel MB, 1Gb RAM, 2x250Gb HD. >> > > Molly has told me tha tshe has funding for a server. One needs to be > selected and purchased. > > >> Also I do not know Plone, but shld be able to pick up given time... >> which is always in short supply;-) >> >> We need to discuss this further, and perhaps form a small team of ppl >> who can do sysadmin work and willing to contribute. Lets continue >> discussing this... maybe take this off the mail-list ? >> > > I believe all discussions should remain on list so that in case someone > new needs to get involved they will have all the information. > > Myself and others are familiar with Plone. It is a very versatile and > capable CMS. For some ppl it is overkill. For our needs I think it is > just right. We can easily perform management tasks via the web but > importing information and installing new products requires filesystem > access; best done on a local level. I would be happy to walk any one > through the process of installing the additional Plone products. Also I > do not know what the competition can do but Plone comes with over 35 > languages supported by it's i18n framework. > > > In addition to the standard Plone objects, the following products should > be installed: > > ZWiki > Zwiki Folder > AROfficeTransforms > Conference > Plone Templates (primarily for the FOSS products catalog) > PloneMultimedia (included with newer versions of Plone) > > These are a handful of the products available: http://plone.org/products > > There is a lot of horsepower in Plone but it does have a bit more of a > learning curve than some others. > > > Cheers, > Tim > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > FOSS_health mailing list > FOSS_health@oshca.org > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > From tw_cook at comcast.net Sun May 20 16:56:42 2007 From: tw_cook at comcast.net (Tim Cook) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Re: Presentations In-Reply-To: <1179639779.25453.218.camel@oship> References: <1179639779.25453.218.camel@oship> Message-ID: <1179651402.25453.237.camel@oship> On Sun, 2007-05-20 at 01:42 -0400, Tim Cook wrote: > We are still missing the following presentations. If one or more are > yours then please send it/them to conference@oshca.org The list I posted is INCORRECT. It contains all of the presentations not just the ones that are missing. My apologies I will ressend the missing items list later. Regards, Tim -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mailman.oshca.org/pipermail/foss_health/attachments/20070520/ff3e1191/attachment.pgp From ravindra at opensource.lk Fri May 18 16:54:28 2007 From: ravindra at opensource.lk (Ravindra De Silva) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Study Framework In-Reply-To: <464E4939.4000407@gmail.com> References: <1179205359.3456.5.camel@oship> <005201c7972c$fb76a380$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179338884.7031.48.camel@oship> <000501c798ae$178a0080$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179533720.25453.63.camel@oship> <464E4939.4000407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1179478468.4024.11.camel@debian-ravi.r4vi.org> > I understand we may require a central "repository" kind of placeholder > entity, where we can store all our "articles", "whitepapers", software > or links to software, etc, and all other stuff that comes to mind > related to this project some way down the project, if not right away. > Are you planning to set up something like that already, or does > something already exist specifically for this project that we can use? > Something like, say a wiki, or an online database that can be updated > collaboratively by several members? if you are talking about a digital repository , the best i have encountered is Dspace (http://www.dspace.org/) . Its FOSS and a collaboration between MIT and Hewlett Packard. I have customized it and found to be very elegant. btw it uses the Dublin core meta data registry. How ever if you want a document management system, then check out KnowledgeTree (http://www.knowledgetree.com). cheers ravindra From dalmolin at e-cology.ca Sun May 20 23:13:09 2007 From: dalmolin at e-cology.ca (Joseph Dal Molin) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Resource Center: for Study Framework etc.. In-Reply-To: <464FF75E.4050607@gmail.com> References: <1179205359.3456.5.camel@oship> <005201c7972c$fb76a380$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179338884.7031.48.camel@oship> <000501c798ae$178a0080$b406410a@itautecf8e5986> <1179533720.25453.63.camel@oship> <464E4939.4000407@gmail.com> <1179539961.25453.82.camel@oship> <20070519203111.26636@smtp.mac.com> <1179637101.25453.215.camel@oship> <464FF75E.4050607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46506585.8060808@e-cology.ca> When an updated version of Plone is set up we should add the Plone Survey tool... it is a questionnaire building tool.... Joseph Arindam Basu wrote: > Hi Tim and folks: > > Although I enjoy working with tikiwiki or MODx these days, I think Plone > is a reasonable choice for a collaborative website -- reasonable but > somewhat complicated. Plone is also extensible with python scripting, > so if we do not like what we see in other software for our data > analysis, we are free to write our own stuff! > > What I do not like in Plone is its somewhat dated., ugly look of the > interface, and the complicated TALs (compared to that of textpattern or > wordpress). Then again, the wiki system (Zwiki) is pretty much built in, > and throw a blog in it if you will, and you have a great CMF/CMS to boot. > > What are the plans for setting up uniform search algorithms that people > can follow to systematize literature retrieval? Which databases do we > mine? Also, how about conducting several short publishable unit based > lit reviews, as opposed to one, large joint publication with diverse > subtopics? > > On a completely different note, I tried to register myself as a paying > member at the OHSCA site, but was unsuccessful. What is the procedure to > pay for memberships? > > Kind regards, > Arin > > > > Tim Cook wrote: >> Hi Boh, >> >> I will place replies in-line below but I wanted to let everyone know >> that some of these issues are taken care of solutions are in the works >> already. I hope my comments below help. >> >> On Sun, 2007-05-20 at 04:31 +0800, Boh Heong Yap wrote: >> >>> hi Tim, Molly and all, >>> >>> Yes there seems to be a lot of things that such a "Resource Center" is >>> supposed to do/to be. From the discussions so far, this is what seems to >>> be needed (pls correct if I'm wrong) >>> 1. Resource repository: >>> a. presentations from OSHCA 2007 >>> a repository for all presentation/workshop materials from >>> the conference for download purposes. >>> There should be the possibility for uploading (one time >>> only, >>> unless presenters update their material) and for >>> downloading or viewing on line. >>> >> >> The Plone site (Plone is a python based content management application) >> is fully able to handle this. You can see that I have uploaded some of >> the presentations already. >> >> >> >> >>> b. FOSS in Health Care: Study Framework >>> repositiory for articles, possibly as links with a short >>> description, this could be set up as a SlashDot type list >>> but more well cataloged/categorised and using a Wiki as a >>> mechanism? >>> >>> see this as an example: of how articles can be listed, >>> simple and clear >>> >>> and also enhance it by addding 'tags' to make it more >>> easilly searchable. >>> >>> also wiki(s) to capture knowledge-base of the specific >>> sub-areas >>> id any. >>> >> >> Actually what we need here is simply a file repository. *IF** the >> analysis software will allow us to share a database then we may store >> that here as well. But in general I think we will only be storing >> source files here and exchange analysis information in other formats. >> Again, Plone provides for this out of the box. The tagging is taken >> care of because Plone provides for standard Dublin Core meta-data. one >> of those meta-data items is a subject or keyword list. They are part of >> every object stored in Plone. >> >> >>> 2. OSHCA Interoperability project >>> - nothing formalised yet here... but it could be a wiki >>> definition of the project, its objectives, scope, >>> timeline... >>> - list of intended projects, ie: >>> interoperability between SHANA and NetEPI (for e.g.), etc.. >>> >>> - list of intended Test-beds for the individual test beds... >>> >> >> Could be a Wiki based project I guess. There is the ZWiki product that >> I have asked to be installed on the OSHCA server. It is the same one I >> installed for the local server at the conference. >> >> >>> 3. OSHCA Human Resource list >>> I remember talking briefly to someone at the >>> conf. about this, >>> but can't remember who, so perhaps I can suggest it here... >>> >>> We should collect the profiles and resume's of all OSHCA >>> members, (and from what I have seen, its pretty >>> impressive) this would not only give OSHCA great >>> credibility, but such a list would be a great markeing >>> tool/weapon even, when any of us need to present to the >>> likes of government of private sector. Certainly >>> proprietry advocates would find it hard enuff to drum up >>> a similar list. >>> >> >> I have requested the registered members list so that I can add each one >> to the portal. This would allow for each person to upload any document >> they wish to publish and one of the people with reviewers rights can >> determine if that document is suitable prior to it being published on >> the public website. >> >>> This is something the big consultants do, and use to win >>> business, we shld do the same.. >> >> >> This is true and as you suggested, could be a HUGE marketing tool. >> >> >>> ... there are quite a few more we can think of... >>> >>> Along with the above.. there are the ususal issues of access control, >>> who can read, write/edit/upload data and so on. There may also be need >>> for creations of groups for individual projects and the general sysadmin >>> of all that, which can be a fair bit of work. >>> >> >> This is actually very easy in Plone. >> Zope (the underlying application server) has very fine grained access >> control and it is exposed in the Plone management interface. >> >> >>> I volunteer to help out with such work, but I cannot do it alone. As a >>> freeelancer, my own projects take priority, as I do not have the cushion >>> of a salary;-) >>> >> >> I know that feeling well. :-) >> >> >>> Also how much resource we can get from OSCC I do not know. >> >> They have verbally agreed to host a server on site and provide at least >> basic admin support. >> >> >>> Molly, can >>> you initiate a introduction via email and I can take it from there to >>> asses the technical scope/capabilities... >>> >> >> I spoke with Madam Tan King Ing and the center manager Jacob (sorry >> surname is not at hand) during the tour and they agreed that they could >> provide support for OSHCA. I have their cards and can send you their >> emails if you need them. >> >> >>> As Molly mentioned, we will need to upgrade and install apps., these >>> require admin. privilages (or they can allow sudo/chroot etc..) and OSCC >>> may not want to grant us such privilages ... remains to be seen. Another >>> alternative is to just get space from them and use our own server (HW) >>> and we can manage it completely. I can source unbranded Intel 1U servers >>> from about 4k RM, config with Intel MB, 1Gb RAM, 2x250Gb HD. >> >> Molly has told me tha tshe has funding for a server. One needs to be >> selected and purchased. >> >> >>> Also I do not know Plone, but shld be able to pick up given time... >>> which is always in short supply;-) >>> >>> We need to discuss this further, and perhaps form a small team of ppl >>> who can do sysadmin work and willing to contribute. Lets continue >>> discussing this... maybe take this off the mail-list ? >>> >> >> I believe all discussions should remain on list so that in case someone >> new needs to get involved they will have all the information. >> >> Myself and others are familiar with Plone. It is a very versatile and >> capable CMS. For some ppl it is overkill. For our needs I think it is >> just right. We can easily perform management tasks via the web but >> importing information and installing new products requires filesystem >> access; best done on a local level. I would be happy to walk any one >> through the process of installing the additional Plone products. Also I >> do not know what the competition can do but Plone comes with over 35 >> languages supported by it's i18n framework. >> >> >> In addition to the standard Plone objects, the following products should >> be installed: >> >> ZWiki >> Zwiki Folder >> AROfficeTransforms Conference >> Plone Templates (primarily for the FOSS products catalog) >> PloneMultimedia (included with newer versions of Plone) >> >> These are a handful of the products available: http://plone.org/products >> >> There is a lot of horsepower in Plone but it does have a bit more of a >> learning curve than some others. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FOSS_health mailing list >> FOSS_health@oshca.org >> http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health >> > > _______________________________________________ > FOSS_health mailing list > FOSS_health@oshca.org > http://mailman.oshca.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/foss_health > . > From tchur at it.usyd.edu.au Mon May 21 10:44:47 2007 From: tchur at it.usyd.edu.au (Tim Churches) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] OSCC Photos In-Reply-To: <1179486008.3590.97.camel@oship> References: <1179486008.3590.97.camel@oship> Message-ID: <1179715487.5988.2.camel@tchur-laptop> On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 11:00 +0000, Tim Cook wrote: > The OSCC has put up some photos from our trip there on 12 May. > > See: http://gallery.oscc.org.my Oh dear, I look so fat in those photos.... (just because I am a nerdy geek doesn't mean I am not vain). But a great record of a memorable visit to a remarkable facility. If only we had such a centre here in Oz. Tim Churches Sydney, Australia From tchur at it.usyd.edu.au Mon May 21 11:59:23 2007 From: tchur at it.usyd.edu.au (Tim Churches) Date: Sun Jan 27 17:55:22 2008 Subject: [FOSS_health] Conference Results In-Reply-To: <200705182350.l4INoAkD029114@svcstsnq08.hotspot.t-mobile.com> References: <200705182350.l4INoAkD029114@svcstsnq08.hotspot.t-mobile.com> Message-ID: <1179719963.5988.14.camel@tchur-laptop> On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 16:50 -0700, Tom Jones wrote: > Were you aware of the attached articles? The first is focused on health > care; the second includes health care along with other industries; the third > covers open source use in a narrow domain in health care. The Open Source in Health Primer is OK but it unfortunately perpetuates some myths about open source software. For example, it says: "Open source software is authored by small communities of developers who are committed to advancing health care IT but not directly compensated for their efforts.... Traditional vendors, in contrast, employ engineers to design software and programmers to write it." Clearly that is wrong - almost all significant open-source projects, including those in the health domain, are created by people who are paid or funded to do so and who are engineers, programmers or domain experts. The idea that open-source software is only created by enthusiastic amateurs in their spare time is a dangerous and counter-productive myth which should not be perpetuated. Hmmm, I have deja vu - I'm sure I expressed the same concerns about this same document previously - but Google can't find what I said. Pity the authors of the Primer document didn't release it under a Creative Commons or similar license - then we could have fixed the deficiencies and errors in it and it would have become a really useful resource. Tim C > -----Original Message----- > From: foss_health-bounces@oshca.org [mailto:foss_health-bounces@oshca.org] > On Behalf Of Tim Cook > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:21 PM > To: FOSS Health > Subject: [FOSS_health] Conference Results > > All, > > One of the items that came out of the conference was the need for better > research and information regarding the use of FOSS in health care. > > I agreed to head up this project but I need many to assist if you have > some skills, access to literature and desire to do research. Even if > you choose not to be actively involved in producing the documents please > feel free to forward any a